The #GiveMo (the save) Report

by Bill Chuck on September 13, 2013

#GiveMo (the save)

I was considering naming this The David Robertson BH/BS/NW Mariano Rivera NS/W Report, but I felt as if I were giving the Yankees directions to the postseason. Trust me, I wasn’t.

As Irving, a longtime creative influence, wrote in an email to me this morning: “With complete disregard for history and fantasy stats, the official scorer took a save away from Mariano last night.”

Let’s discuss:

The Yankees visited Baltimore for a four-game set this week and the Orioles needed to win at least three times. They didn’t.

Last night, the O’s went down 6-5, their third straight loss to the New Yorkers.

This one ended oddly on the field and in the official scorers box.

Going into the bottom of the 7th, the Yankees held a 5-1 lead despite losing their leadoff hitter Brett Gardner, who left in the 1st inning with a strained oblique and in typically 2013 Yankee fashion, his replacement Curtis Granderson homered.

When David Robertson entered the game in the 8th, appearing in his second straight game after missing some time with right shoulder tendinitis, the Yankees held a 5-2 lead.

Robertson was officially in a save situation, however more to the point for Robertson it was a hold situation since he would probably, as per usual, just pitch one inning and pass the baton on to Mariano Rivera for the save.

No matter, since Danny Valencia homered with two on against Robertson giving the reliever both a blown hold and a blown save and the fans a 5-5 tie and the hope for a split in the series.

This brings us to a 9th inning with the two AL leaders in saves facing each other

Nine to Know

2013 Saves Leaders

Rk Player SV Age Tm Lg G GF IP
1 Craig Kimbrel 46 25 ATL NL 60 52 59.2
2 Mariano Rivera 43 43 NYY AL 60 57 58.2
3 Jim Johnson 43 30 BAL AL 66 56 62.1
4 Greg Holland 42 27 KCR AL 61 55 60.0
5 Rafael Soriano 41 33 WSN NL 64 54 62.2
6 Joe Nathan 39 38 TEX AL 58 53 55.2
7 Addison Reed 37 24 CHW AL 62 54 66.0
8 Grant Balfour 37 35 OAK AL 59 50 56.2
9 Edward Mujica 36 29 STL NL 59 48 60.2
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Generated 9/13/2013.

The 9th inning

Jim Johnson (3-8) allowed a single, made an error on a sacrifice bunt and then let loose a wild pitch to allow the go-ahead run to score.

Mariano then retired the O’s 1-2-3 in the 9th for the…

Score Out RoB Batter Play Description
Top of the 9th, Yankees Batting, Tied 5-5, Orioles’ Jim Johnson facing 8-9-1
Jim Johnson replaces Josh Stinson pitching
Chris Dickerson replaces Mike Morse playing LF batting 1st
5-5 0   Brendan Ryan Single to RF (Line Drive to Short RF)
5-5 0 1–   Chris Stewart Reached on E1 (throw)/attempted forceout (Bunt to Front of Home); Ryan to 2B
5-5 0 12-   Curtis Granderson Bunt Groundout: P-2B (Front of Home); Ryan to 3B; Stewart to 2B
5-5 1 -23   Alex Rodriguez Wild Pitch; Ryan Scores/unER; Stewart to 3B
6-5 1 –3   A. Rodriguez Intentional Walk
Zoilo Almonte pinch runs for Alex Rodriguez (DH) batting 2nd
6-5 1 1-3   A. Soriano Ground Ball Double Play: SS-2B-1B
1 run, 1 hit, 1 error, 1 LOB. Yankees 6, Orioles 5.
Bottom of the 9th, Orioles Batting, Behind 5-6, Yankees’ Mariano Rivera facing 9-1-2
Mariano Rivera replaces David Robertson pitching
Zoilo Almonte moves from DH to DH
5-6 0 Brian Roberts Groundout: 1B unassisted
5-6 1 Chris Dickerson Groundout: 2B-1B (2B-1B)
5-6 2 Manny Machado Foul Popfly: 1B (1B Foul)
0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 LOB. Yankees 6, Orioles 5.
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Generated 9/13/2013.

#GiveMo the save

So all logic points to David Robertson earning the vulture win and Mo getting career save number 652.

But that didn’t happen.

Official scorer Mark Jacobson declared Mo to be the winning pitcher.

The Rule Book states…

10.17 Winning And Losing Pitcher
(c) The official scorer shall not credit as the winning pitcher a relief pitcher who is ineffective in a brief appearance, when at least one succeeding relief pitcher pitches effectively in helping his team maintain its lead. In such a case, the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher the succeeding relief pitcher who was most effective, in the judgment of the official scorer.
Rule 10.17(c) Comment: The official scorer generally should, but is not required to, consider the appearance of a relief pitcher to be ineffective and brief if such relief pitcher pitches less than one inning and allows two or more earned runs to score (even if such runs are charged to a previous pitcher). Rule 10.17(b) Comment provides guidance on choosing the winning pitcher from among several succeeding relief pitchers.

10 times this season a reliever has allowed three runs, blown the save and the team won

Rk Player Date Tm Opp Rslt App,Dec IP H R ER HR
1 David Robertson 2013-09-12 NYY BAL W 6-5 8-8 ,BS 1.0 4 3 3 1
2 Glen Perkins 2013-09-03 MIN HOU W 9-6 9-9 ,BS 1.0 3 3 3 1
3 David Martinez 2013-08-26 HOU CHW W 10-8 6-8 ,BW 2.2 5 3 3 0
4 Michael Wacha 2013-08-19 STL MIL W 8-5 7-7 ,BW 1.0 4 3 3 1
5 Vinnie Pestano 2013-07-07 CLE DET W 9-6 8-8 ,BS 0.2 4 3 3 1
6 Drew Storen 2013-07-04 WSN MIL W 8-5 7-7 ,BW 1.0 3 3 3 2
7 Joel Peralta 2013-07-04 TBR HOU W 7-5 8-8 ,BS 0.1 2 3 3 1
8 Edgmer Escalona 2013-06-09 COL SDP W 8-7 7-7 ,BS 0.1 3 3 3 2
9 Tim Collins 2013-05-05 KCR CHW W 6-5 7-6 ,BS 0.0 3 3 3 0
10 Kyuji Fujikawa 2013-04-12 CHC SFG W 4-3 9-9f ,BW 1.0 3 3 3 0
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  • In four of the games, the reliever picked up the vulture win.
  • In the Perkins game, the game last 12 innings and he was long gone.
  • In the Pestano game, Vinnie was replaced by Cody Allen who earned the win.
  • In the Peralta game, the game last 11 innings and he was long gone.
  • In the Escalona game, the game last 10 innings and he was long gone.
  • In the Collins game, the game last 10 innings and he was long gone.

This means that Robertson was the only pitcher this season deprived of the vulture win and Rivera was deprived of the save that affects current fantasy players and historically, his all-time record book.

What about these guys?

Here are the pitchers this season who allowed one run in an appearance of one inning or less, who blew the save, but ended up with a win. Should they too have their wins taken away? Granted, it was only one run, but they had one job – don’t let the opponent score one run.

Rk Player # W ERA IP H ER HR
1 Andrew Bailey 3 2 10.12 2.2 4 3 2
2 Darren Oliver 2 2 9.00 2.0 4 2 1
3 Sean Doolittle 2 2 9.00 2.0 3 2 1
4 Kenley Jansen 3 1 9.00 3.0 6 3 1
5 Junichi Tazawa 2 1 9.00 2.0 4 2 2
6 Glen Perkins 2 1 9.00 2.0 3 2 0
7 Jonathan Papelbon 2 1 9.00 2.0 3 2 1
8 Brad Ziegler 1 1 9.00 1.0 2 1 0
9 Koji Uehara 1 1 9.00 1.0 2 1 1
10 Craig Stammen 1 1 9.00 1.0 3 1 0
11 Chaz Roe 1 1 9.00 1.0 1 1 1
12 Fernando Rodney 1 1 9.00 1.0 1 1 0
13 Addison Reed 1 1 0.00 1.0 1 0 0
14 Yoervis Medina 1 1 9.00 1.0 1 1 0
15 Jim Johnson 1 1 9.00 1.0 2 1 0
16 David Hernandez 1 1 9.00 1.0 2 1 1
17 Luke Gregerson 1 1 0.00 1.0 2 0 0
18 Steve Delabar 1 1 13.50 0.2 1 1 0
19 Carter Capps 1 1 9.00 1.0 2 1 0
20 Jared Burton 1 1 9.00 1.0 1 1 0
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Generated 9/13/2013.

Tweet #GiveMo and lets give Mariano the save

It would be his 80th all-time against the Orioles, his most against any team.

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